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Ray Haber - Highway assigned this issue to Ofc. Michael Ciuffetelli

Issue 3900701 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue.

The Police and Public Works departments are working together to inventory signage along Twining Road. Another update will follow.

A review of signage along Twining Road was completed and found to be adequate. No less than 12 signs indicating the Speed Limit are posted in either direction on Twining Road, which is well above what is required by law.
PA Title 75 (The Vehicle Code) subsection 3362b (posting of speed limits) states the following: “No maximum speed limit established under subsection a1, 1.2, or 3 shall be effective unless posted…which regulations shall require posting at the beginning and end of each speed zone and at intervals of no greater than one-half mile”.
Twining Road measures a distance of approximately 3.2 miles, which would require a minimum of 6 posted speed limit signs. We exceed that by having twice the required amount, so at this time no additional speed limit signs will be posted.

This issue is now closed. Thank you, again. We appreciate your help in improving our Township.

The response to this issue while quite technical with reference to regulations, does not reflect the
driver experience of the few drivers that obey the speed limit on Twining Road. Even a casual
observe, let alone anyone that uses Twining Road on a routine basis knows that there is a major
problem on Twining Road. As I stated before on a previous issue reporting, I was told by a
representative of the Upper Dublin Police Department that 95% of the motorists on Twining Road
are speeding. Since 95% are speeding, The obvious next step should be the stepping up of
enforcement. By any objective standard the problem on Twining Road that I haved put up with
since 1977, will not be fixed until it is reasonably possible to drive on Twining Road with out
having another motorist right on your bumper. The PA drivers manual states a 4 second time
window between vehicles. Since putting this report in I have on several occasions walked to and
from the Upper Dublin Shopping Center sampling the time windows. The most prevalent time
window between vehicles is between 1 1/2 to 2 seconds, with hardcore tailgators about a second
behind the car in front of them.

The response to my previous issue report suggested that I contact state representatives in regard
to allowing local police to use RADAR, I personally support this and called Tom Murts office
about it, but RADAR is not the only thing to use to attempt to resolve this issue. PA Motor Vehicle Code VIOLATION # 3310 is for FOLLOWING TO CLOSELY. Speeding and tailgating are just two
different aspects of the driver behavior commonly referred to as AGGRESSIVE DRIVING. It
doesn't matter much how the offending drivers learn their lesson!

I am with Fred on this one. I have begun researching cameras to put out front to provide evidence of what everyone already knows, speeding and aggressive driving is pandemic on Twining Rd. I have watched cars coming off of the S curve heading toward 63 far exceeding 40 MPH as they pass Dale Rd, let alone 25 MPH. And it gets worse as the UDPD presence declines later in the day. Cars turning from Dale Rd on to Twining Rd are just as aggressive. I can’t even begin to count the drag strip quality acceleration and tire spinning that goes on. I am still a huge proponent of speed humps. Ther comes a point where minimum regulatory requirements need to be far exceeded in the interest of public safety. I am sure anyone who live on Twining Rd would agree, this is beyond that point.

Thank you Paul for corroborating my position on Twining Rd. You also have brought up another part of this issue that I have not mentioned. Of course it most likely has not yet met the critical mass of carnage yet, but is an accident waiting to happen, That is turning from Dale Road on to Twining Road. There isn't much of a sight window while stopped at Dale Road and trying to turn onto Twining Road. I have had had close calls because of vehicles traveling on Twining Road coming over the crest of the hill at a high rate of speed. Of course all of the 25 MPH speed limit signs in the world mean nothing when so it seems, the vast majority of motorists have no respect for the posted speed!

Unfortunately the township only does what is required and nothing else. I have begged for a light and something around willet park and I got the political answer. Speed limit is 25 and over a 7 day study cars averaged 30 which is ok. Even though it’s an es turn at a children’s park they don’t care. I hope you get a sign but I highly doubt they’ll do anything more then required.

Per the Upper Dublin Township Police Department, this issue is closed.

Can you clarify what was done to resolve the issue?